Frank Figliuzzi tells Lawrence O’Donnell that the New York Times report that Russia hacked Burisma “should surprise no one.” He says that Russia is like a burglar doing it in broad daylight with no disguise. Rep. Peter Welch adds that this is a classic Russian attempt to “sow discord.”

Three of the country’s premier experts in national security — Frank Figliuzzi, Malcolm Nance, and Juliette Kayyem—in frank, unmediated discussion about the new threats to the nation heading into the 2020 election. The Russian intervention in 2016 presents a sinister, existential hazard that calls for the same kind of paradigm shift in homeland security that the 2001 attacks required in intelligence. And the Administration’s hostility to career professionals makes the threats that more keen.